Earlene, it's worse than you think.
Not only is E-Verify not enforced, in October 2011 our State legislature passed a law that prohibits the state, cities and counties from mandating that private employers use E-Verify.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/16/local/la-me-e-verify-20111017

I agree with your statements. Unfortunately as the case is with a number of politicians--they will avoid sticky topis at all costs. They either sing and dance around a direct answer or give some watered down politically correct answer. Rarely will they take a hard stance on a controversial topic. Thats the sad part of politics.

@ Jolinda Marshall, you said, “They have spent roughly $8000 in that pursuit, meanwhile speaking English as their first language…”

They may speak English, but Spanish was (most likely) their “first language.” English is their second language (as in “ESL”).

Yes Jolinda we all have anecdotal, isolated stories of great people from every situation.

Unfortunately during these twelve years that your friends have been here illegally and "working for ANY wage" as you say, they were stealing jobs from honest US Citizens.

I realize it may seem heartless and callous to you as a globalist but my sympathy is for the people who were here legally during that time and lost their livelihoods because some one thought it was OK to break into a Country and cause wages to plummet.
I have been in the construction industry for over thirty years and I saw it happen before my eyes.

Great that you think this wonderful family has done everything right, but what part of "illegal" is it that YOU do not understand? Do you even know WHY we have immigration laws in the first place?

Wow, you actually know a wonderful hispanic family!!! How positively cosmopolitan!! Do you actually speak to them? I mean do they speak? How very intersting? Do they wear shoes?

When you do actually... speak with them. Do you ask them how they may feel about all the people who drive up here from San Ysidro every day on a border crossing card, work illegally and don't pay a dime in taxes? And then go home and live a perfectly decent life (aside from the gunfire and be-headings) in TJ and Rosarito as a result of their U.S. wages and no tax situation.Their answer may surprise you. Did you know that many of them don't even desire to actually reside here?

You don't need to think bigger to realize life in the clearly established Mega region of southern California.Just look around. But thankfully, down here we just happen to have a little thing called Camp Pendleton separating us from it,18th street and the Mara's.

- clock is probably ticking on that as well.

There is still construction work in SD. Unfortunately no one can make any money at it because of the degraded wages.
And this started long before the financial downturn.
Like I said, I saw it happen. I personally know many people who were run out of business because unscrupulous contractors ( and abajo de la mesa companies) who use illegal aliens and pay no taxes undercut their prices.
I realize that the individual illegals are not totally to blame but the unscrupulous contractors couldn't do it without them or visa versa.
How is company supposed to pay legal workers a decent wage and pay their taxes when they are bidding against a guy working out of the back of his truck with a six man crew that lives together in a garage with a water hose and five gallon bucket for sanitation?
The other responsibility goes to the homeowner who will hire ANYONE as long as they are cheaper, no matter how they did it.
If you think illegal aliens taking jobs away is a strawman argument you are not aware of the reality of the situation.
Spoon fed, really? I started at the very bottom, literally, digging ditches. I know what a long day of hard work is all about and have respect for anyone that does so.

In the first place, Dragonslayer, when the term "illegal" is used, its not only "Mexicans," but also "OTMs," Do you know what an OTM is? .....for your information this terms means "other than Mexican." There are now terrorists coming across the border who've learned Spanish, who seek to do us harm. According to you, we should let them all in! I worked my entire life, supported and raised a family; my sons were taught a very lucrative trade, only to have it all go down the drain and be taken away by an I L L E G A L. I should be happy about this? I don't think so.

Mike, your statement, "Raising clarion calls to deport undocumented workers would only hurt the San Diego economy in the long run," makes no sense whatsoever. Are you aware of the fact in 1955 Pres. Dwight Eisenhower, with a very small staff, realized the large influx of undocumented workers (that's what they once called them,) were taking away American jobs and fearing the situation would escalate, he began an operation which he named "OPERATION WETBACK," and conducted sweeps which netted over 250,000 illegals, which were all deported. Fearing the same, other illegals began moving back to their respective countries and untold thousands of them left voluntarily. Can't be done now, you say? Sorry, I believe it can but ICE has been told not to deport them, as our gov't. claims we are violating their rights! What right does any illegal have in our country, according to our Constitution?; Sheriff Joe Arpaio was told not to racially profile; we've all been told we must be politically correct, blah, blah, blah. When Pres. Obama took his oath of office, he promised to protect Americans against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Unfortunately, he's broken his promise to protect American citizens. It's all hogwash and frankly I'm tired of hearing all the lies and excuses. The greatest percentage of Americans want immigration laws enforced. You can count me one of them. Only when a terrorist explodes a suitcase bomb or something so dreadful will people wake up.

Mike, thanks for your comment, I really appreciate you not throwing the race card.
That helps keep the discussion civil. Just as I would not care about what sort of rope I was hanged by, the race or nationality of illegals is no concern for me.
You're right, at this point the construction industry isn't the driving force it has usually been. But if we will need those 40,000 jobs as the article indicates, where will they live? As long as the population increases, and schools and hospitals need to be built there will be a construction industry.
Carpentry, concrete work, painting, tile setting and such are not undesirable jobs, legal residents would gladly do them if the wages hadn't dropped so drastically.
The farmworker situation was just fine in the 50s and 60s, that program could be returned.
Education is indeed important, but everyone can't be an IT. And ITs will still need a place to live.

#5 “Raising clarion calls to deport undocumented workers would only hurt the San Diego economy in the long run.” Cite your sources.

#6 “Already local farmers are starting to see shortages in undocumented farm workers due to unjust and overzealous enforcement of immigration laws.” Cite your sources.

#7 “In order for there to be more jobs in the next 40 years we need to have people that have been educated in the skills required to complete and thrive in a 21st century economy.” You know Mike, not everyone is smart. Not everyone can complete a college education. Not everyone can afford a college education. And there are many respectable trades and vocations that do not need a college education. We can’t have a nation of college-educated people doing work that does not require higher education. We need the nation we are losing called the middle class of which most did not have to have a college education. It appears the government can’t afford to furnish a quality education for the students in our schools today. The dropout rate at the community colleges, for example Grossmont and Cuyamaca, is at 75%.

Mike Smith: Did you ever think WHY we have immigration laws in the first place? It's OK to allow legal immigrants into our country, but they should assimilate and learn to speak English. According to your way of thinking, we should allow ALL illegals entry into our country. This kind of thinking encourages them to break the laws, break the infrastructure of every city in America, get on Welfare, take advantage of every taxpayer in America and be nothing more than a deadbeat. This is wrong, wrong, wrong! What would happen if we broke their country's immigration laws? Do you think we would be arrested?...or do you think they would welcome us with tea and cookies and every FREE perk known to man? Who do you think pays for all this? I'll give you a hint, the taxpayer. A third or more of our prisons are filled with illegals who neither have drivers licenses, insurance, etc. and when they get into an accident, or commit a crime what do they do? They RUN back to Mexico! Enough already, Senior Smith!

Somali who smuggled Islamic extremists across U.S.-Mexico border gets 10 years in SA

By: Jason Trahan/Reporter
The Dallas Morning News
8:46 PM on Fri., Apr. 29, 2011

Ahmed Muhammed Dhakane, a 25-year-old Somali national, received 10 years in federal prison yesterday after he pleaded guilty to making false statements in his asylum application.

What's most troubling about this case is how much potential damage this one fellow has done to American national security, compared to the scant attention he's gotten in the press (at least outside San Antonio).

After Dhakane tried to enter Brownsville from Mexico in March 2008, he was detained and held by immigration authorities at a facility in Pearsall.

What he ended up telling confidential informants planted at the facility is chilling. He had been hiding his involvement with Al-Ittihad Al-Islami, or AIAI. AIAI is a militant Islamist organization that gained power after the Somali government collapsed in the 1990s. According to the government, it's also virtually indistinguishable from the Somali Islamist group Al-Shabbab. Dhakane also worked for al-Barakat, another designated terrorist organization that, according to prosecutors, is an Islamic money moving system used by Islamist extremists.

All are designated terrorist organizations by U.S. authorities. And all have ties to al Qaeda. So, what authorities believe is that Dhakane aided who-knows-how-many Somali jihadists get across the Texas-Mexico border.

Counterterrorism officials have acknowledged in court that they, truly, have no idea how many people he helped get here -- much less where they all ended up.

Source cited: http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/04/

Thanks slayer but I had a mind of my own long before Fox News and probably before you were born.
Secondly, how does anything on Fox News effect the facts that I know to be true from personal experience ?
You point that illegals contribute more than they take is pure speculation. You can't even give me the number of illegals in the Country let alone how much they take or contribute.
BTW I watch three times as much MSNBC as I do Fox, so I know that the " brain dead Fox viewer" label is always the first tactic to come out of the bag.

Look who is regurgitating now.
Google: Muhammad Nazmul Hasan and Mirza Muhammad Saifuddin for yourself

Again, you are off topic.

I agree Selina, as I pointed out one of the huge problems with illegals is that businesses and homeowners love them, as long as they can take advantage of their lower wages.
It boils down to Americas ultimate and demented goal: the bottom line. They don't care where it came from all they know is that it is cheaper. That is what caused the cascading wages. Contractor A sees that he can underbid his competition if he hires illegals, contractor B in order to get jobs must do the same or go out of business.
The biggest problem with that was that if a guy filled out his I9 form with a bogus SS # we were not allowed to question it. If you did, the guy would have a lawyer suing you for discrimination.
My question to you is: how do we "demand more jobs with better pay" if there is an illegal willing to do it for half?

This is an ongoing problem right now. These immigrants leave their jobs for fear of deportation and the company cannot find an American worker willing to take that job. So is at fault? Is it the undocumented worker who is desperate enough to work for peanuts? Or should the blame be placed instead on the company that refuses to pay a decent living wage? I guess that is my point - let's not blame the worker trying to make a better life for himself and his family. The responsibility lies with the companies that are not playing by the rules.

Again I agree, but on the other hand is sneaking across the border playing by the rules, even if it is to better himself?
After all, in the chicken and egg scenario that you suggest, the impetus is the guy coming across the border illegally.
Speaking of bettering themselves: If the World was a perfect place the portion of people that come from Mexico would stay in their own country and cure the evils there that are actually the seminal problem.

I agree. I have lived in San Diego a long time. Although growth cannot be stopped, if we want to maintain our quality of life, we have to discourage out of control growth. We work hard to conserve on water and our rates continue to rise. If there is a problem with access to quality water resources, then we should not be building more.

The situation our planet and our community is dealing with is the theory of “the tragedy of the commons.” When leaders can grasp what that concept means and how it plays out, then they will realize that unlimited growth, “managed” or not, is deteriorating the community, not enriching it.

"Discouraging out of control growth" is a beautiful way to put it. I welcome, with open arms, immigrants that choose to become citizens. While the citizenship process is long, I believe that is by design. When creating that process, someone had the foresight to know that limited resources can be reworked to accommodate a trickle of immigrants, on top of normal population growth. They also knew that a flood of immigrants can tax resources and stretch them so thin so quickly that reworking is not possible. While the illegal immigrants may contribute to local economies, as far as I know, they are not able to create water.

It's simply not fair that an illegal immigrant's pursuit of the American Dream robs me, and you, of ours. Remember that giving every person an equal share of a limited resource, while the epitome of equality and peace, simply results in shares of the resource too small to sustain life.

Thank you, Kyle! You're one of those who gets it. It does not matter what the illegals' excuses are. I could rob a bank for money because my family needs new clothes, or I need a better car, that would better my lifestyle and that of my family's. HOWEVER, I will have broken the law in doing so. Society must have laws that protect one another - immigration happens to fall in that category. Because people want something does not mean they can take it illegally. We must all obey the law or pay the consequences no matter who we are.

Thanks for the advice Christal.
Too bad you couldn't stay civil while begging for civility.

You honestly believe people who breach our borders are not illegals? Perhaps you would like it better if we refer to President Eisenhower's name given them when he was President in 1955, i.e...."WETBACKS?" Stop the ignorance of calling people bigots when you don't agree with them and educate yourself. They are NOT immigrants nor are they American citizens, they are illegals and called such by our government. Immigrants are my husband's family who applied for American citizenship from Italy, waited their turn in line and "immigrated" legally to Ellis Island, assimilated themselves and learned English. Now we have people who dig under and go over the fence we've built to keep them out. Maybe you're illegal as evidence by your defense of people who break America's laws? I think you're the one who needs to get a clue, An education about our laws might also do you some good. Unbelievable!!!!

Apparently, you failed to read what I wrote. Can you not say illegal immigrants? I never said I don't agree with you all. In fact, I only stated there are many contributing factors to the economic state and unemployment rates of San Diego. I do agree that our country needs to scrutinize our immigration laws, reform them, and enforce them. However, you cannot contribute unemployment soley on people who enter this country illegally. And yes Earlene, you caught me. I'm an "illegal." By the way, illegal is not noun. Again, the correct term is illegal immigrants. Finally, when the heck did I defend people breaking laws?

Kevin, I did not "beg" for civility. I couldn't care less if you call me an asshole or racist. But, I would not refer to a group of people as the illegals, or the gays, or the blacks, etc. It reeks of ignorance.

Mmmmmm, classy.

Many many dictionaries define illegal as a noun.
And if you don't mind me saying: your language reeks of ignorance

I'd say my language reeks more of foul words rather than ignorance. And most dictionaries refer to the noun as the pairing of illegal and immigrant. Or illegal and abortion.

And I'm not really picking up on the "classy" dig. I always enjoy how people here overlook most of the things people say in the comments section. They always isolate one sentence or a few words and run with it.

Ya , you do that a lot.

Clearly "classy" was a sarcastic remark.
Freedictionary.com:il·le·gal (-lgl)
adj.
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.
n.
An illegal immigrant.
Dictionary.com: forbidden by law or statute.
2.
contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
noun
3.
Informal . illegal alien.
American Heritage: illegal
Prohibited by law. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation. An illegal immigrant.

Is it not paired with another word? And is it the proper or formal use for that word? No. That is all I was trying to convey. For what it's worth Kevin, I wasn't even directing any of that soley at you.

You're forgiven.
I wasn't using it as a pejorative and I am sorry you took it as one. I'm just not PC enough for some.
And I really don't like web dictionaries at all, but if you want to knit pick I'm really good at it. It's probably my worst trait.

@ Christal.
With that mindset, perhaps we should also leave DUI drivers alone. Most are just everyday people just out having some fun. If they don’t harm anyone, why should we arrest and jail them? We might be called “asshats” for wanting our silly laws enforced.

@ LG JOe, when did I say, "Who cares if people immigrate here illegally?" Never. That's when. Geez. I don't think I ever said it is okay to let people come here illegally.

In fact, I I said, "...There are many contributing factors to the economic state and unemployment rates of San Diego. I do agree that our country needs to scrutinize our immigration laws, reform them, and enforce them. However, you cannot contribute unemployment soley on people who enter this country illegally."

Can't stay on the topic of jobs, can you. Just like Obama.

And everything changed in 2008 right?
Obama did NOTHING to retract any of those actions.
BTW did you google Muhammad Nazmul Hasan and Mirza Muhammad Saifuddin yet?

Here we go, I was wondering how long it would take you to bring up Bush, a scenario constantly used by liberals to try and make their pointless point.

While looking into alternative energy is clearly something that needs to be done in the near future, I don't know how many jobs, especially permanent ones, it would create. For the foreseeable future, the only jobs it can create right now are in R&D, which would require specialized experience. The pool of potential employees is comparatively tiny. Once a viable source is developed, various apparatus would need to be constructed, which would create jobs, albeit temporary ones. Once built, I don't know that any of the sources/apparatus would require much in the way of human maintenance (i.e. not the same amount of time or manpower needed as say, an oil rig).

All that definitely needs to happen, but I wouldn't look to it as a job creator.

I hear Solyndra is selling cheap solar equipment. A real opportunity for illegals who are cash strapped but wish to do their part.

Unfortunately for everyone, those young people are the ones who have heard nothing but "If you don't go to college and get a degree, you'll have to work in restaurants or construction your whole life." Jobs requiring physical labor are seen as below the vast majority of young people, which is an enormous problem on its own.

So the illegal immigrants end up taking them while the degree-holding, debt-shackled young people search fruitlessly for jobs higher up the totem pole that they believe they deserve by virtue of a degree, actual experience notwithstanding.

Quite the circular problem.

I really don't know who started this statement that "illegals are only taking the jobs that Americans won't do," but, frankly, I don't subscribe to it. If a man gets hungry and desperate enough, he'll work for whatever job he can find, even if its long enoiugh to find another.

Non citizens belong to the United States. Did you really just say that?

Mike, I agree that we cannot arrest and deport millions of illegal aliens. That is would be disruptive. What you seem to be saying is, “it is what it is.” What if every area of our government reacted to problems or illegal activity with that laissez-faire attitude?

The topic of this blog is jobs. Now I’d like an honest response, with a simple yes or no. If we did not have this influx of illegal immigrants that has gone unchecked for decades, would American have more job opportunities and would those jobs pay more?

"Citizens and non-citizens alike belong to a United States that is a nation of immigrants." What? A non-citizen is just that. If they're here and they are a non-citizen then they are I L L E G A L. Who mentioned the 18th century? Am I missing something here? As previously stated, massive deportation occurred with the instigation of the President of the United States in 1955, which was relative to the population at that time, and there were no repercussions. It could be done and should be done, as thousands, perhaps millions, would leave voluntarily with such a sweep. This would leave thousands and thousands of jobs for Americans who've been unable to find jobs that just might set a trend for the next 40 years in San Diego.

Would you believe the 18th century immigrants you refer to were documented? Unbelievably enough they were known as resident aliens and their children did not gain citizenship by mere birth on the soil.

Senior Smith! Your views are foreign to American citizens and you need to move back to Mexico as you obviously do not understand American law, especially those of immigration as you most certainly cannot relate to the thousands of men and women who have had their jobs taken over and given to illegals, the same people who are losing their homes, their cars, their marriages due to the fact they have no job, money or home because of this immigration problem. Here we've had our men and women in several countries trying to protect all of us who enjoy freedom here in America, all while people like you want to give our beloved country away and let every foreigner in. Perhaps we should dig up all those who died for this cause and apologize to them? Just what part of illegal is it that you do not understand? ....OR, are you like the other gal above who admitted she is sympathetic because she, herself, is illegal? Good grief, man, can't you relate?

Earlene, ever hear of sarcasm. I'm not an illegal. I am a Texan, so maybe I am an illegal. In fact my entire family was born in raised in Texas. My ancestors immigrated from Germany and Scotland. Oh yeah and some were brought over on ships from Africa. This would be forced immigration. They worked a lot for free and in less than desiarble conditions.

was born in this country, & respect our laws. I've worked very hard all my life and was employed by NASA in our conquest to put a man on the moon; as well as the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept. Having such high positions in gov't. means I've not broken laws, nor disrespected anyone; I love my country. Whether you see my opinions as being "narrow minded" or "intolerant" is of no consequence to me; I see it as being fair. I don't believe in cottling those who break our laws, & then reward them for doing so. If one desires to live or be part of America, assimilate, obey our laws, respect our flag, and get in line; stop crashing the gate, sneaking into dark, dug tunnels, swimming the Rio Grande, rowing a boat in the Pacific Ocean or paying a coyote to sneak & lead you to encroach our borders; do it legally; we will then welcome you. I don't believe taxpayers should bear burdens of lawbreakers & give them perks. Having a better life requires that we work for it. I question why these people don't elect a leader who can provide a better life for them in their own country? Being an American gives me the right to pursue life, liberty & happiness in a free society that is, unfortunately, fast being overrun by those who have broken & disrespected our laws, taken our jobs, paid no taxes & sent their earnings home to a foreign country, then we are unfairly handed the bill to pay. These individuals contribute to America by such actions? I question how you can see this is right.

You have just made the leap.
No one has said anything about diversity here.
I am not against diversity or legal immigration.
But now you have made the point that you so thinly veiled in your previous posts.
i.e If you are against illegal immigration you are a racist.
A fallacy put forth to guilt people into compliance.

Well said, GIJoe. Fifty-seven years ago our own U. S. President had the sense to forsee this problem, yet there are those who just don't get it and keep thinking we can let everyone into America who wants to come. This is precisely WHY we have immigration laws, so that millions of people don't overcrowd the system and break the infrastructure of every state, bankrupting them and causing undue budget and financial problems which is the very thing that's now happening in every state, simply because we've let this problem fester and ignored our own laws so long that it's now a monumental problem now greatly affecting American citizens. Here's one example: Nine hospitals in San Diego County are now bankrupt due to the fact illegals crowd the E.R. & hospitals, have no insurance, then split without paying the bill. They're breaking the system and causing hospitals to increase their costs, who then pass needed increases along to us who pay our bills, causing higher and higher premiums and now, unfortunately, there are many of us who can no longer afford to see a doctor or go to the E.R. They bring their kids to the E.R. for sniffles and use it as a doctor's visit. Because of this, when I needed medical assistance, I had to wait 13 hrs. before being seen as there were over 100 people, mostly Hispanic, who couldn't speak English when asked to come to the window of the waiting room. Is this fair to Americans? I don't think so. Arghhhhh!

It is fortunate that we don't live in the evil timeline where the United States used Nazi scientists to develop missiles based on slave labor-built prototypes in order to conquer the moon, but the good one where the United States used Nazi scientists to develop missiles based on slave labor-built prototypes in order to leave beneficent plaques on the moon.

"Evil United States?" ...You have just confirmed what I suspected by your very first post, and that is you are incompetent to understand jack! I've wasted my time responding to you as you have no idea whatsoever what you're talking about, nor are you aware of the hundreds of discoveries, including many of scientific nature, medical, plantlife, our own planet and hundreds of other valuable data space exploration achieved which benefited all mankind. Take it down the street and go live in another country and see how long you get away in degrading the country in which you live which gives you freedom to voice your opinion as whacky as it may be.

" I've worked very hard all my life and was employed by NASA in our conquest to put a man on the moon;..."
I believe that Earlene meant to say "quest" and not "conquest".

Nazi scientists, doing the jobs Americans won't do. Plus, bearded Spock.

Quick Earlene, change that from another planet to the moon before anyone else notices!

You call pretending to put a man on the moon difficult? THIS is difficult:
http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

Good call Doug! My apologies Earlene. I just have never seen the word "conquest" used that way in a sentence. A ''conquest" is the end result; the "conquering", not the process of conquering.

My ears are burning.

Again I apologize. I didn't mean to act as your interpreter. I thought that Mike Smith was going after you because he thought you were talking about "the conquest of the moon". I thought he must have been mistaken. I know now, he was right.

"There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?"

http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/ricetalk.htm

JFK must have missed the memo on not using terms that puzzle Doug, James, and Mike.

"On the day that Kennedy delivered his special message to Congress, Abraham Hyatt, NASA Director of Program Planning and Evaluation, issued a Master Plan of launches for the conquest of the moon."

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4210/pages/Ch_7.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uHhB_Wzccw

I apologize.

Also there is no confusion on my part in regards to the proper use of a noun versus a verb.

Do not verbify your writing.

I went to this website and the second page you hit asks if you want to continue in Spanish or English!!!! ...and therein lies a huge part of the problem. If you don't speak English you haven't assimilated enough to have a say in the future of San Diego!

Good one James.
That is hilarious, unfortunately not surprising.
Learning to speak English would be a good way to show your love of San Diego.

@ James and Kevin - Perhaps there are a lot of people that can speak English just fine, but have difficulty reading it. It can take years to learn a new language. Maybe it's not a bad thing to give ESL people an option to truly understand what it is they are reading.

San Diego should develop the Spanish translation industry to get ready for 2050.

"The overall fail rate for applicants on their first attempt is 50.4% for English originals, 31.1% for English renewals, 80.3% for Spanish originals, 71.2% for Spanish renewals"

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/about/profile/rd/resnotes/class_c_written_knowledge.htm

Also, fully expect to be able to have an English translator and lawyer, free of charge, available to you if charged with a crime, bogus or not, in Mexico. And make sure you demand that all forms and signs be in English as well. And get your kids signed up for SSL classes! Oh and make sure to throw a fit when they're not given the option of taking "American History" classes. Then you can be deported, quickly and with no regard to your family, OR you can be beheaded in a drug cartel statement!

Two Russians were walking down the street, one asked the other, "Have we really achieved full communism?" The other said "oh no. Things are about to get worse."

In Moscow there are two workmen with shovels walking along the edge of a city street, stopping every five yards so that one of them can dig a hole in the dirt. As soon as it is dug, his comrade fills the hole back in. Then they move along another five yards and repeat the exercise. A Soviet citizen observing this scene loses his temper and stomps up to the two workers. "Comrades," he shouts, "what kind of craziness is this? You dig a hole, then the other fellow fills it right up. You're accomplishing nothing at all. We're wasting good money paying you." "No, no", one of the workers replies, "you don't understand. Usually we work with a third lad, Volodya, but he's home drunk today. Volodya plants trees. I dig the hole, he sticks in the tree, and Ivan here fills the hole back in. Just because Voldoya's off drunk, does that mean Ivan and I have to stop working?"

Guess you didn't pick the bones clean on the same site you post to Doug.

http://lamesa.patch.com/articles/america-s-brutish-self-interest-version-of-capitalism-is-unstaianbale

No wonder the blackout goes unsolved.

"Five Marxists," Doug?
Have you visited any universities lately?

Oh, and one more thing: The aforementioned commie prof has a buddy who thinks it's cute to wear a Mao cap while he sips latte and chats with his friends.
Beyond belief...

1) Yes, you can be a Marx scholar, or scholar of Marxism, without being a Marxist; but if you're a Marxist scholar, then you are, by definition, a Marxist.
2) Many Roman Catholic priests, especially among Jesuits, were/are Marxists. Remember Liberation Theology. In spite of its popularity with people like Jeremiah Wright, (Obama's pastor of many years) its founders were principally RC clergy.

Doug, do you think there are many Marxist scholars who are capitalist?
Do you think the Roman Catholic priests who are Marxist scholars lean towards capitalism since that brings them more customers, according to Marx?

well, welcome to the conversation..i guess..where the hell did THAT come from?

and craig.. i'm actually glad there are marxist scholars to the U..that school was very good at some things..like my pre-med course of study..but not so much at the social sciences.. much of that due to the influence of the church, of course..it's gooid to see the LDS controls over the U have lessened considerably..remember, i graduate in 1965..there's a LOT of water under that bridge..

doug

doug

A rising tide lifts all arks.

"Not much..."liberation theology" being actually practiced in the world"?
Again, Doug, if you'd been attending services with President Obama over the last twenty-odd years, you might revise that statement.

Here's an idea: you thank who you want and I'll thank who I want.

Thank you.

"Candidate Obama tried to distance himself from Wright's more damning comments. But, crucially, he didn't disown the pastor himself. In fact, in his rise to political fame, he had made Wright's sermons his own, drawing on Wright's "Audacity to Hope" sermon and appropriating its theme for his political coming-out speech at the Democratic National Convention in Boston in 2004. He even borrowed the sermon's title for his second autobiography, The Audacity of Hope,in a bid to get Wright and other black churches to support his candidacy."

http://spectator.org/archives/2011/12/09/the-gospel-according-to-wright/print

But reporter Extraordinarie, Doug, can't bring himself to ask the obvious: Why did he pick that ONE preacher?

"It is necessary to understand
That a poet may not exist, that his writings
Are the incomplete circle and straight drop
Of a question mark."

Thanks, Earlene.
Is his radicalism outweighed by his cynicism and duplicity?
Seems so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuGi2bMwODs

Capitalism ended Kodak not President Obama.
BTW - you are complaining and somehow oddly blaming the President for Kodak's 10 year death spiral yet the current President has only been on the job for three years.
Other than that, your post is almost factual.

Loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great. To take a trivial example, which of us ever laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it? But who find fault chooses to enjoy a pleasure one avoids a pain produces blinded by desire, that they cannot foresee blame belongs to those who fail in their duty through weakness of will, which is the same as saying through shrinking from toil?

Obama nor capitalism brought about the demise of Kodak. It was poor management, the same management that is advising the President on jobs and competitiveness.

A long time ago the railroads ruled passenger transportation in America. Then airplanes began passenger service. The railroad barons eschewed the airplanes as “a fad.” We now know who won that battle. Their mistake was thinking they were only in the “railroad” business instead of the “transportation” business.

Same thing with Kodak and Polaroid. They stayed in the film business too long. Kodak lacked the vision of understanding they were in the imaging business, and they needed to go digital.

There is no linkage between President Obama and the bankruptcy of Kodak. A scientist employed by Kodak invented the digital camera. Kodak also used to make digital slr cameras with a license agreement with Fujifilm. Kodak made major strategic errors in not taking advantage of its patents for digital technology while trying to continue to sell film that has become obsolete. Eventually Kodak may be able to either sell its patents or prevail in the courts to take advantage of the digital patents it holds.

Mike, I repeat " Obama nor capitalism brought about the demise of Kodak. It was poor management, the same management that is advising the President on jobs and competitiveness".
Can you hear me now?

I think they should have three terms. Two in office and one in prison.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

If he runs in Panama.

I disagree. Not because I am an Obama fan...but because I just dont see anyone left on the Republican side that can defeat him. In my personal opinion the person with the strongest chance is Romney but I just dont think he can do it. I certainly dont think anyone else left in the Republican race is going to be able to do it.

I think a practicing Mormon has only a slightly better chance than a Jehovah’s Witness to become president. Millions of people consider the Mormon Church a cult. Romney is as 1% as they come, he personifies Wall Street cronyism like no other candidate. I was a registered Republican for 25 years and changed to nonpartisan when John McCain picked wack-job Sarah Palin. I don’t know what has gone wrong with the GOP. It seems like it stands for Grumpy Odd People. But I am certain there is not going to be a multi-millionaire, magic underwear wearing President in 2013 (unless the LDS unleashes a tsunami of money and commands its flock to also pony up, like they did in Proposition 8).

It beggars belief that Americans would twice elect as President a:
a)multi-millionaire
http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/politician/president/barack-obama-net-worth/
b) known to be joined at the hip with Wall Street
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638
http://influenceexplorer.com/industry/securities-investment/0af3f418f426497e8bbf916bfc074ebc?cycle=-1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-attracts-wall-street-money-despite-tensions/2011/07/22/gIQApIugTI_story.html
c) especially once they learn about his ties to a highly, let's say "unorthodox" Christian sect not known for respecting the church/state boundary and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM
d) some of whose acolytes profess a supernatural faith in the power of, of all things, special undergarments
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2637289/Barack-Obamas-tight-fitting-underwear.html
e) while hypocritically singling outother oppressed minority groups for further discrimination.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leonce-gaiter/black-blindness-on-propos_b_136488.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/06/BANB154OS1.DTL

John McCain led many people to question why they still called themselves Republicans.

No, I will never think or much less say this guy has a ghost of a chance to serve two terms. His popularity, even among Hispanics and Blacks, as dwindled. He's not a leader. Name one good thing he's done for America. BTW, this is off topic.

Obama merely fattened Chrysler up for slaughter. Upon emerging from bankruptcy FIAT (a foreign company) took a controlling (58%) interest in Chrysler. Boy, I hope he can save more American companies so they can be sold to foreigners.

Right down the middle again Doug?

This Juan?

http://m.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/widow-of-cop-murdered-by-illegal-alien-wins-court-decision

Or that Juan?

http://m.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-alien-charged-with-fatal-dui-crash-delaware

Juan or the other?

Alex as much as I enjoy your fascinating repartee'(sarc) it's time to turn the record over.
alex pina Jan 23 2012 in this same article: "next time you're at the dinner table dont thank jesus for the food on ur plate thank Juan ".

It was boring the first time and it didn't improve with age.